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Post by Whiterook on Apr 22, 2024 8:36:06 GMT -5
…my gameLast Fall of 2023, I picked up Eastern Front Tank Leader from my good friend Roger, of which both the Western and Eastern Front Tank Leader games had been on my radar for decades. Both coming out right around a couple years after I’d first gotten into wargaming (‘86 for the former, and ‘87 for the latter), I mean hey, they got TANKS!!! …my go to obsession! After picking up the Eastern Front version, I hunted down the Western Front version off of Noble Knight Games and scored a super copy…better shape than the east front version, in fact. …my gameWhen I quick read the east front game rules, I noted a lot of similarities to what would later become standard in card dependent mechanics seen in such awesome fare such as Lock ‘N Load Publishing’s, Nations at War. It appeals to me, so I was excite to see this in the Tank Leader series. as for the games themselves, yes, the artwork is much older looking and manufacture technology is well, ‘80s, but still represents an amazingly viable game system and I am assuming, playing experience. You get a lot in this game… …even came with a counter tray!!! (My game)
(BGG)One of the things I hadn’t realized was the association of John Hill as the designer? (BBG)
…oddly isn;t mentioned on BoardGameGeek. I think the only pan I would be able to muster, if I had to is the map art…not the best out there, but when I look at some games such as Tiny Battle Publishing’s, Sticks and Stones (…which by the way is 2015!), I can cut it some slack; I mean, it’s not super old map artwork we see in such giants as Panzer Blitz and Panzer Leader! (BGG)I’m going to dig this one out today and have a lookie.
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Post by mikeh on Apr 30, 2024 12:17:38 GMT -5
Tanks! How can you lose?!! I think it a fine looking game for the period.
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Post by Whiterook on May 4, 2024 10:02:59 GMT -5
Tanks! How can you lose?!! I think it a fine looking game for the period. Yes, it certainly shows it’s age in all of the components, but yet not as aged as earlier games (like Avalon Hill’s, Panzer Leader, which is also high on the list of games to play this Summer). The map is maybe the worst of it, with some questionably cartoony-style artwork, but it’s very much doable in play. The map in the upcoming version from Compass Games looks quite a bit better…
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Post by mikeh on May 4, 2024 11:55:35 GMT -5
I have the old, old S&T game Panzer Battles, I have taken it out and set it up from time to time but have never gotten very far. Checking 3 or 4 charts just to see if one tank has hit another drives me a little buggy. I understand the system was later used in Mech War although I have never played that one.
Does WFTL require a lot of chart checking?
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Post by Whiterook on May 7, 2024 15:55:01 GMT -5
I have the old, old S&T game Panzer Battles, I have taken it out and set it up from time to time but have never gotten very far. Checking 3 or 4 charts just to see if one tank has hit another drives me a little buggy. I understand the system was later used in Mech War although I have never played that one. Does WFTL require a lot of chart checking? It has one, a very small Player Aid (two provided for a 2-Player game). I did a crop of one of the earlier pics top give you close up view… …of Player Aids/Charts, this is a very reasonable one, in my estimation. The CRT (Combat Results Table) is pretty reasonable and easier than many I’ve been using lately; the Modifiers are laid out nicely and saves me from having to make my own cheat sheet as I’ve also had to do lately with other games. I’ll be playing the game for the first time, at some point over the next few days/weekend, so I should have a better idea how easy or hard combat is
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Post by Whiterook on May 7, 2024 16:15:43 GMT -5
I’ve been getting the game straightened out over the last few days, getting ready to play it leading up to and/or into the weekend. I started with the Formation Cards, which are used to activate units. The military organizations used in the game, such as Divisions are divided into smaller organizations, called “Formations”; and these formations each have their own card. It’s a tad similar to what you see in games like Lock ‘N Load Publishing’s, Nations at War and World at War… but in this game, rather than blind draw from a tabled deck, players have a hand of cards of all their formations that they play, lowest C3 rating to highest On a player’s turn, they play a formation card, which will activate his/her chosen units…unless the opponent “interrupts” the sequence by playing a higher C3 rated card, at which that card will activate those units first… unless the original player interrupts and so on. Once the final card is placed in the “activation deck”, you then follow each card in turn for formation (units) activation. Pretty clever! The cards are provided on with the game come in sheets, cards perforated. The problem is, with this older tech at the time of printing, the cards have pilled edges that can catch with card on card shuffling and draw. My solution was to place them in sleeves. I used Monster Sleeves, which were about a quarter inch taller than the cards, but the closest that could be had…and I just happen to have a pack left from another game project Here you see a good example of how the cards come… Below, you can see a good before and after example as I went along… It was time consuming but worth it.
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Post by Whiterook on May 7, 2024 16:22:03 GMT -5
Today, I did a full inventory of the counters and am happy top report I have all 320! (I don’t think I lucked out with Eastern Front Tank Leader, which I inventoried last weekend, but I’ll recount those later). After separating all the counters (armor, vehicles, infantry, artillery, admin counters and so on), I put them in the tray West End Games had provided with the game… I did take out the units for the formations used in the first scenario, while I was at it). The separated counters… Units with their formation cards… And all the others placed in the counter tray, by type… It just happened to work out with a great distribution, which will make finding counters a lot easier.
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Post by Whiterook on May 11, 2024 19:18:17 GMT -5
I’ve made it through a second read of the rules… it generally takes me a couple read throughs before I feel comfortable enough with the rules to start playing. I think I’ve stumbled into this methodology because frustration in massive mistakes made after just a first read are annoying and distracting enough to me that it threatens to taint my hitherto excitement at playing the new system. Sad, but a recognized possible truth.
So one of the things that became completely apparent is, this is a much tweaked version of Eastern Front Tank Leader (EFTL)! …not a necessarily bad thing, but it has me wondering if I’ll need to make considerations when backtracking to the Eastern Front rules and how apparent those adjustments might be… I have no idea. I did read EFTL long before getting Western Front Tank Leader (WFTL), but have long forgotten enough of what those EFTL rules contain (or lack in comparison) to make an informed judgement. It’ll be doable, I am sure. also makes me wonder if Desert Steel further tweaked the system!
So what am I gathering for tweaks?
The new designer that helmed this admitted he added more chrome…not necessarily a bad thing. But majority, the Western Front mandated the rules for fortifications, mines, off-map artillery, smoke, and air power. The previous game was much more simpler in those regards, being a totally different style front. Though being important in the war in the east, they epitomized war in the west. Of those new consideration, air power and off-map artillery were perhaps the most significant change in my estimation… what I am happy with is, instead of heavy plotting and chart use, the designer opted for the use of Strike Cards instead, which even though some plotting g may be necessary, the card play appears to keep the game moving quicker and smoother.
Fortifications, minefields, and smoke are reminiscent of modern day wargames, but may have been kinda cutting edge back in the mid-80s. I think they are handled much the way games produced decades later use them, and I see major influences back to this game!
I believe the new designer tried to incorporate the geomorphic map concept by providing two smaller maps that can combine for different variations; this opposed to the single big map of EFTL. Honestly, I really wish this game (and West End Games in general) had stuck around for more production! A lot more maps and scenarios, as well as fronts could have made this game series a juggernaut! Alas, we only got the three modules.
I’d have to refer back to EFTL on other items, but I suspect the Morale mechanic had some additions; the concept of Road Net (dirt to paved) really adds to maneuver; a more robust take on Formation Cards, especially concerning Parent and Command cards; and Spotting rules may have been tweaked or added entirely.
I’m thinking you get a whole lot more game with WFTL. I’ll be curious to see what it’s like when I go backwards to EFTL and forwards into Desert Steel (which I’ve learned had an original concept title of North African Front Tank Leader).
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